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Ex- Detective Tom Grant In The Middle Of A Controversy With YouTuber AmericanSpyFox

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AmericanSpyFox Charles Elliott and Tom Grant

 

YouTuber AmericanSpyFox, who has recorded a series of YouTube videos on the death of Kurt Cobain, is in the middle of a controversy. AmericanSpyFox, real name Charles Elliott, started a GoFundMe campaign to fly Tom Grant from Santa Barbara to Ohio in order to interview the famous detective whose name has been associated with the story since 1994. Charles managed to raise $2,141 and promised his subscribers an exclusive interview with Grant, however, things didn’t turn the way he would have expected.

In the last video he has posted, Charles claims that Tom Grant made his life impossible with outrageous demands, like for example an expensive upgrade for the round trip from Santa Barbara, CA to Columbus, Ohio at $1,376, which seems to be a bit unnecessary, but we could say that Tom is old and likes his comfort.

In a very long explanation, Charles explains that Tom had lied on many points, the first one being his declining health and mental state, as he even concluded that Tom ‘has entered early-stage dementia’: ‘I spent 10 hours a day trying to get him to just comply with what he already agreed to’ wrote Charles, explaining that Tom basically refused to do what they had agreed on: an interview. Honestly what describes Charles is strange and could well be describing a man effectively entering dementia: ‘It was like babysitting a child. At times, his demands made no sense. He would make me get up in the middle of the night to bring him food. He typed a movie script in which he wanted to rehearse for hours, typing out a part for me to “play.” He asked me to buy him a red wig so he could pretend to be me! He brought a hoodie and wore his hat backward pretending to be me. My wife and I did not know how to respond to all this. We are not medically trained to deal with such behaviors. He became upset when I told him he should dress like himself for the camera.’

After basically rearranging the entire hotel room – ‘He spent the last hours of the last day, ‘trying to make a studio’’ – no interview took place, and Charles had only his tube channel to apologize to the people who had contributed to the campaign. Charles even describes Tom Grant as an arrogant, racist man, full of himself.

It didn’t take long for Tom Grant to respond, with this post on his website, and obviously a completely different story: ‘Charles claims I REFUSED to do the interview with him. The truth is, he was only with me in the room for a few hours the first day as we were trying to set up a place for the interview inside my hotel room. He finally told me he was having trouble getting his mics to work with his computer and needed his wife to come help.’

Grant then contradicts each statement made by Charles and pretends that Charles basically never showed up for the interview.

Who is telling the truth? Besides this point, there are a few things that I (and a few fans) don’t get. First, why did Charles Elliott had to fly Tom Grant for an interview? In the age of technology, why couldn’t he have done a Skype interview? Simple and completely free? Then, Tom Grant has been on the case for 26 years and has not revealed anything new for many years, so what did this YouTuber was hoping for? A scoop from a retired LAPD detective who hasn’t solved a 26-year-old case? Didn’t he understand Grant has been milking the only case he is famous for, for a very long time? I don’t have a real experience with Tom, but I know he will not do anything without being paid or get some compensation, he is also very conservative, Christian, and he occasionally tweets some anti-abortion rants between his Cobain-related tweets. But if he really suffers from dementia, what could Charles Elliott have expected?

36 Comments

  1. Yancey on February 4, 2020 at 1:02 am

    Charles is a sociopathic, compulsive liar that doesn’t actually ever show concrete proof of the many outlandish claims he has made over the last while. He had approx. 500 prior failed YouTube videos until he realised he could make a profit from covering rehashed Nirvana/Kurt Cobain knowledge for teens. Dyed his hair just before it too to fit the character. He is obsessed with “fans”, “subscribers”, “members” and money. Claims he owns a restaurant when it’s just a small food truck. Everything he says is a lie. He has small minded commenters that were hailing Tom practically a God and on a whim, because of just Charles’ word alone are damning his character with no actual proof. Charles should just go back to being a gamer. He’s an abhorrent individual.

    • YGodro on February 6, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Yeah, in the meantime, Tom Grant has produced a nice edited video and got caught dubbing his voice over an already existing video… How classy!
      Tom Grant is done, he’d be better in a retirement home, fortunately, he won’t make anymore money out of Kurt’s death. It’s a well known fact that Tom is a freeloader that tried to earn a living out his own beliefs (because for now, it is only beliefs since he proved nothing.
      He brang lots of inconsistancy in the Cobain case, but all these hearsays (cos they are nothing more than hearsays) have been easily debunked and/or explained
      ASF might not have been transparent, but I doubt someone would do that for 200$ (since the plane, the hotel room and the microphone Tom insisted ASF buy for him cost around 1900$ (which leaves 241$ of the GFM total…

      • Steve Hall on February 14, 2020 at 4:39 pm

        They are a lot more than hersays. He has hours of audio of CL admitting to reporting false information to the police and media both brfore and after KC was found dead. As well as her explaining how she is going to “spin” the story of his death to benefit her and sell records. And yes she did in fact use the word “spin”. And she said this before he was found dead, as if she were anticipating it.

        • Erin K Harper on October 21, 2021 at 1:35 pm

          So you believe Courtney did it, or had it done, right? This story is kind of upsetting. With circumstances like this (Tom Grant “getting dementia” &…. Basically not being down for the cause… this is just looking very bad for justice for Kurt. I can’t believe such a dark ugly thing like this is really happening.

        • Kaylee on August 12, 2022 at 5:22 am

          I agree.

          If nothing else Tom Grant gave the world a direct Audio of Courtney Love talking horribly about her missing husband (Kurt Cobain). Lying, bribing, filing false police reports, her disdain for her husband and proof from her own mouth they were divorcing.

          She Tried to take Tom Grant to Kurt’s body so it was finally found. Luckily Dylan Carlson, Kurt’s best friend thwarted that attempt.

          Being a paralegal in the Triangle of Beverly Hills I’ve worked with many law enforcement officers, attorneys, expert witnesses, etc. Mr. Grant is definately one of the most ethical people I’ve come across.

          Please listen to the tapes. Courtney Love inadvertently shows the world her true colors…and by choosing to save her ex-boyfriend drug-addict nanny/housekeeper from scrutiny when the body is found puts HERSELF squarely as both a suspect and shows a huge possibility of at the very least leaving Kurt Cobain to rot for four days when her manipulations fail.

      • Angela C. Ezell on May 28, 2022 at 5:01 am

        Tom wasn’t caught doing anything Pal that changes his evidence that he has to hide. You 5 year old puke. Buy a vowel and get a clue YGodro? Stupid name since you’re not God. He has not earned anything near enough to what he should being he has at least 30 hours of recorded calls and those were listened to by the former Chief Of Seattle, WA P.D. Norman Stamper, probably long before you were running down your Daddy’s pant leg.

        • Kaylee on August 12, 2022 at 5:24 am

          👍💕

    • Bela Lugosi on February 17, 2020 at 7:32 pm

      Dear Yancey ;
      Sociopathic?
      Now you’re just being dramatic ?

      • Yancey on February 18, 2020 at 3:42 pm

        Bella Lugosi,
        Sociopathic..absolutely. Traits of a sociopath (which any person should know) are:
        *Pathological lying.
        *Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
        *Outraged by insignificant matters.
        *Not genuine, neither are their promises.
        *Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities.
        *Grandiose Sense of Self. Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
        *Problems in making and keeping friends.
        The asshat that is ASF has all of these traits and more. I guarantee you he has only been into alternative 90s music the last 5 years or a little more. He’s trying to make a profit from young kids that don’t read/research much today and that think he has all the information (which is predominantly skewed). Many, many people that have actually lived those times have and can see right through him and his fake-ness and as you can see now, he isn’t getting the oh so precious views he needs to continue lining his pocket with his monetised account. He has continually acted like a butthurt, bratty child, stamping their feet because when the viewership rose on his Nirvana series, his ego inflated along with it. He actually thinks his commenters and viewers are his “friends”. So, not just a sociopath, but also very deluded.

    • Angela C. Ezell on September 28, 2020 at 8:50 pm

      You are in no place to expect a person as PI Tom Grant to pay expenses to come see you. There’s things I know that you don’t. Crime scene photos being swapped out/exchanged
      because I went that far back not knowing who Nirvana was studying day and night things missing from the crime scene I know he backed up and so did I. You’re not that good. It would be a privilege to you to get as far as you did child. So, for you float the bills. That’s right. You. Not Tom. And he’s aloud to Edit. You don’t just spill it al and that Pal, is called Litigation. He delivers what he feels is the right time for the time. So, suck it Charles, Mr. Spy Fox. He’s a Private Investigator so know your God Damned place. Sincerely, Angela C. Ezell

    • Erin on October 16, 2021 at 4:14 pm

      You have no idea what you’re talking about who cares if he dyed his hair before it maybe that’s the way he wanted it you don’t know s*** about him you don’t know him personally so you really can’t comment on anything you’re stupid you’re a moron so shut the f*** up

    • Tabby Savannah on January 1, 2022 at 5:12 pm

      I don’t know AmericanSpyFox Charles Elliott personally but after following his channel for 3+ yrs, I feel most confident that he is a “calls ‘em as he sees ‘em”kind of guy. He doesn’t add facts to this decades long case. He digs&digs to uncover info that’s been neglected by police or buried by CL &her co-conspirators. ASF doesn’t put his subscribers thru clickbait & other nonsense that other greed driven channels do. His channel is one of the best that YouTube has to offer. Don’t drag this guy &his channel thru the mud. Thank you ASF for your efforts to inform fans of Grunge/Punk of the truth. That is undeniably crucial in uncovering the true facts of KC’s death & the struggles of other bands in the 90’s alt rock scene.

    • Savannah on May 17, 2022 at 3:17 pm

      Don’t follow him if you feel this way. Personally, I think he & his wife strive to put out honest & complete contact. So, you your opinion really means zip.

  2. Z. Evans on February 16, 2020 at 5:00 am

    ASF has a history of defaming people, whereas Tom has a proven record of being honest and decent. I know who I believe.

    • Erin on October 16, 2021 at 4:15 pm

      Have you actually listened to the tapes they really are doctored I’m a computer engineer and I know exactly what he did so again you guys know absolutely nothing

      • Kaylee on August 12, 2022 at 5:30 am

        Have you listened to the tapes? Even if half are real we all got to see the real Courtney Love.

        I like Spyfox & I like Tom Grant.

        It’s a shame it didn’t work. 🙏🕊

      • E on February 19, 2023 at 2:39 pm

        LMAO I work in IT and NO ONE says they’re “a computer engineer” there are so many sub specialties. They’d say something like Im a sys admin, net eng or I do dev ops.

        These tapes were made in 1994 and beyond, there is a provable chain of custody. There is no doctoring possible. Out of context maybe.. just clips made for brevity.

    • Jeff on November 27, 2023 at 4:59 pm

      I’m not even seeing any videos on the controversy on ASF’s channel. If he was all about fame and drama he would want the controversy because it generates views.

  3. Charles on July 6, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    His content is fine if you’ve never seen it before, but, he definitely isn’t shedding light on anything “new”. He based most of his research off of Grant’s work. The funniest thing to me is how he prides himself on being a “documentarian” and on his “research”, but he gets a lot of entry level shit wrong. Consistently

    • Angela C. Ezell on May 28, 2022 at 5:44 am

      Charles. You don’t know about his content of 30 hrs. of recorded calls just alone so nor what to make of them. Entry Level? Be specific. Tom has shared things you won’t see now but have been shared at his own risk. And then here domes Charles. All you have is Grunge History which has improved enormously. But Tom has the evidence being he was hired in and legally he legally obtained his recordings of Real Evidence. And those will remain safe. And Tom I’m sure has nothing to be sorry about. He may be sorry about the way things turned out. His age has nothing to do with anything he has as far as evidence. You need to remember Kurt passed away when everything was happening and the evidence goes back at that time first hand that Tom was there then so his age has nothing to do with that. I’ve been watching closely for 15 years so you’ve missed a lot. Technology has changed. If Tom Grant does show up, being old school doesn’t make you old. You should have been more prepared with your sound system and if you had been, your wife wouldn’t of had to come down and help you fix it if would have done your 1,2,3 Check? Instead she could have been instead making dinner plans.

  4. Angela C. Ezell on September 28, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    Tom has no obligation to talk to you. It was your privilege to have him fly out to you to pay his expenses. I’ve got things backed up I won’t show that are backed up. Such as swapped out crime scene photos. I won’t talk about because he will expose that when he’s ready and when it fits in with the timetable as he sees fit. Of course he edits. It’s called litigation. And you are so far behind when it comes to Tom, and even me, only because you’re late. So come up Charles because you’re way down from Tom and evidence before you talk about someone keeping it and sharing it as he sees fit. He’s backed up things I have no one has, The original crime scene photos that were swapped out for shotgun photos, for the exchange of the supposed to have been melted down shotgun and an added handgun to throw in and credible photos were swapped out and replaced with the shotgun photos. I will never tell what they were because you should not expect anyone to come to you like PI Tom Grant for free. He’s invested his own time and money, so grow up and know your spot Charles. You;re damn lucky to have the opportunity to meet him and ask him questions He certainly wasn’t coming out there to see you for answers. So, know your place. Because I didn’t know Nirvana. I have been licensed in the funeral business. I too have everything backed up most important. I won’t talk about. That’s for him.
    Really, you’re correct yet, right now we are looking at court dates. Be careful whose toes you step on. Sincerely, Angela C. Ezell

    • Erin Kay Harper on October 21, 2021 at 1:37 pm

      I would have thought Tom Grant would have done it just for the CAUSE.

      • Kaylee on August 12, 2022 at 5:36 am

        I agree. It sounds like he did try.

        And I know Spyfox tried. Maybe they ran out of time or there were misunderstandings or even personality clashes.

        I’ve done photo shoots and when one party is travelling it does make things harder.

        I still love them both.

  5. califtom on November 27, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    Tom Grant is a lying conspiracy theory quack who’s been profiting from his garbage for years. The fact he’s now peddling his nonsense to YouTube gamers speaks for itself

  6. Elliot on August 10, 2021 at 9:31 pm

    Isn’t there someone that could have proofread this article? A little consideration for the reader would go a long way. (It’s quite likely that English is not the writer’s first language, but that is all the more reason to have someone look over an article before publishing it.)

  7. Svetlana on January 30, 2022 at 10:20 pm

    Spyfox has taken things I’ve written in the comment section and made full docs on them as if he discovered it himself. That was weird to see happen. I lost interest right then.
    His love of money is bothersome. Patron and so on… and then there’s the drum covers. Ouch!

    • StrongGirlsClub on June 9, 2022 at 5:42 pm

      We’re you the one who recommended John Potash? I noticed someone did and the next thing there was a Potash post.

  8. David Gerhard on May 24, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    This spy fox dude is a fckin incel bully . I cannot believe that people still support these open and clear bullying tactics all while under the guise of fandom . COMPLETELY DISGUSTING AND ABHORRENT. Makes me sick Kurt ever even recorded a sound
    Some of the stuff this guy has posted is literally insane I would love someone from the fam to openly and publicly castrate him but I know this is just giving them what they want .

    • Rocky P on June 29, 2022 at 8:25 pm

      David Gerhard like what? What’s ASF
      Posted that is literally insane?

  9. Mike Ratherson on February 7, 2023 at 1:26 am

    Tom is a Narcissist and was a hack PI. Courtney hired him to find Kurt in 1994. Instead of searching the Cobain home thoroughly he let Kurt’s junkie friend Dylan Carlson lead him around Seattle like a puppy dog. Then Tom blamed Dylan for now showing him the greenhouse.

    Courtney is not smart enough to mastermind Kurt’s death. Tom paints Kurt as the happiest he has ever been when he rejected his friends’ heroin intervention, jumped the wall at Exodus rehab in L.A. and flew to Seattle to off himself.

    I was probably the last to interview Tom for free. I regret that I didn’t have time to set up proper audio recording equipment. He gave me 5 minutes to prep for a phone interview. But Tom’s all roads lead to mastermind Courtney where ridiculous. He even implied that Courtney tried to kill Kurt by spiking his champagne with roofies and said Rome wasn’t a suicide attempt. Why would Courtney call an ambulance to save Kurt’s life in Rome if she wanted him dead. Tom has tormented Courtney, the Cobain family, Frances Bean Cobain, et al based on his murder conspiracy narratives. I’m glad that my recollections of my interview with Tom still haunt him on Google search. Because I didn’t have a recording of the interview he denied all my recollections and said “read my books.” I never will. Tom was a hack PI and a parasite.

    • Alice_Through_the Looking_Glass on October 29, 2023 at 2:55 pm

      Because, Courtney waited two hours before ringing for an ambulance for one thing (That’s if she even did). She was too busy ringing people telling them Kurt was dead! She called Grohl and Geffen -not sure who else. Pat Smear claims it was he who took Kurt to the first hospital. The famous photos, which people wrongly assume show Kurt being rushed to hospital, are actually from when he was transferred -totally agains ALL medical advice and with his life hanging in the balance – to the American Hospital in Rome.
      This was the first attempt on his life by her and maybe who else?? Join the dots, who else was there with Courtney? There were at least two other adults with her. Plus the 4 people in Kurt’s main home when he died there.

      This is a news report from the Rome attempt, another clear show of Ms Love’s lies – and for the record, Kurt was not depressed nor was he suicidal! This narrative was pushed by Love. People around him all said that, including Rosemary Carroll.
      “Kurt Cobain is rushed to the Umberto I Polyclinic Hospital. CNN incorrectly reports that Kurt Cobain has died. In reality Kurt Cobain is in a deep coma. Courtney later has him transferred, against the advice of the doctor, to the American Hospital. Courtney would later tell the media that the doctors pumped 50 pills from Kurt’s stomach. According to Dr. Osvaldo Galletta this is not true, that Kurt’s stomach was not pumped and that there was no way to determine how many pills Kurt ingested. Kurt finally recovers and is released from the hospital.”

  10. E on February 19, 2023 at 2:44 pm

    Everyone,

    This trolling and arguing has to STOP, Tom and Charles need to get together because they have a common goal and its not to make money, its to be understood and find the truth. If there was a wrongful death the victims family needs closure. If someone is responsible and walking free they need to be charged, not enjoying life all this time.

    I will pay for the mics, travel, or what the hell ever to get this case re-opened.

    • Jjssmc on October 23, 2023 at 9:55 pm

      ASF has pulled off his latest heist, it’s time to expose him once and for all! He just did a livestream stating he went into the examiners office in Seattle, he was “treated poorly, they wouldn’t talk to him” they wouldn’t take his thousands of signatures ppl signed on a petition he promised to deliver, he took $1,675 from fans in a gofundme…Here’s the thing you cannot publicly access the office! No employee there dealt with him, watch his latest livestream which I recorded, Kurt cobains autopsy report, dude should have his channel removed, watch his strange behavior in that video he never once looks into the camera.

      • J-Roc on November 9, 2023 at 5:47 am

        Yeah man ASF is a lying piece of $hit. It baffles me so many people just believe his nonsense. ASF/Charles is a drug addict/wife beating @sshole. I’ve seen his criminal record and it’s true. I know the person who has it and he/she is contemplating on releasing that information or not?

        • Meece on December 2, 2023 at 12:18 am

          he/she should definitely release the criminal record. make video showing the proof and release it on youtube. this pos needs to be exposed. he has robbed so much money from his subscribers with all these bs gofundmes and horrible merchandise. I strongly encourage you to release it. more and more of his subscribers are finally seeing him for what he is and that would help prove to the people that still support him what a pos he is. I wish you luck, and know that I stand behind you and so will so many others.

        • Seth on December 21, 2023 at 4:15 pm

          I think it’s funny when people harp on and on about it being “about money” for Tom Grant, yet give ASF a pass. The guy who had a dead gaming channel prior to declaring himself a detective. He wouldn’t have a Patreon, or sell merch with Kurt’s greenhouse as the logo if he wasn’t looking to make a legacy off of someone else.

          Glad people are starting to see it.

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