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Elliott Smith’s Case: We Still Don’t Know When The Police Arrived At The Scene

When The Police Arrived

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When someone is calling 911,  a police department dispatch center is usually reached, and the dispatcher is asking for the location and the nature of the emergency. If required, the call may be transferred to the nearest Fire/Emergency Medical Services (EMS) dispatch center, while the dispatcher remains on the line and may give potentially life-saving instructions such as how to perform CPR on an unresponsive person.

This is very probably what happened on October 21st when Jennifer Chiba called 911 at 12:18 pm after Elliott Smith was stabbed. An ambulance arrived at 1857 ½ Lemoyne street probably shortly after the call – there is a fire station located on Sunset Blvd, just a few miles away – and the whole episode, including transportation to the hospital, took exactly 52 minutes.

In the police report there is no indication of the exact time the ambulance arrived (probably between 12:30 and 1 pm), and more importantly, no indication of the time the police arrived.

I tried to send a request to in order to get more information, but unfortunately, they could only provide very few details:

In accordance with Section 6254(f)(2), the following information from the 9-1-1 telephone call is summarized below:

Date and Time of Call: 10/21/2003 12:18

Location of Occurrence:1857 LeMoyne St, 1/2

Date and Time of Report: not provided in call:

Name and Age of Victim: not provided in call

Factual Circumstances of Incident: male stabbed himself in chest; PR advised subject laying on ground, not moving, poss already expired

General Description of Injuries, Property or Weapons: stab wounds

If the call was referred to paramedics, the Los Angeles Fire Department may have records responsive to your request.

Los Angeles Fire Department

Attn: EMS Records Custodian

200 North Main Street, Suite 1620

Los Angeles, CA 90012

Even if the name is not provided (and I wonder why), it is the right incident, and I have tried to reach the Los Angeles Fire Department before, without any success (but may try again). This probably confirms the paramedics were dispatched at the address and not the police, as Chiba told the 911 dispatcher it was a suicide and needed medical help. The police probably came later, and we still don’t know how long later: Chiba’s next-door neighbor doesn’t remember seeing the police when the ambulance was carrying Elliott away, and If he remembers correctly, we can assume the police arrived later in the afternoon. It would be very important to know the exact time of their arrival, as one or 2 hours could give a lot of time to possible alteration to the scene, either voluntary or not. If Jennifer Chiba said to the paramedics it was a suicide, there was no reason for the police to arrive at the scene immediately, then who knows what happened inside this room between the time Elliott was transported to the hospital and the police’s arrival? We know that detective King placed a phone call to the Coroner at 23:55 pm on October 21st, which was more than 10 hours after Elliott’s death – he died at 13:36 pm at the hospital – but it may have simply been normal procedure.


  1. Q on November 1, 2020 at 9:28 am

    What is “poss already expired”? Does that mean deceased? I always heard she was instructed to give CPR on the phone with dispatch?

    The shirt he died in was black and it would have been impossible to tell by looking, from the outside or under the shirt, that he was stabbed twice with that amount of blood in the coroner report. But why call at 12:18 and say he’s already expired when he wasn’t and she claimed to be doing CPR?

    • Alyson on November 1, 2020 at 6:36 pm

      I asked someone in the medical field, “poss already expired” means “possibility already expired” which confirms that Elliott was unconscious when the paramedics arrived. He actually died an hour later, but the neighbors I talked to told me Elliott looked dead when he was transported to the hospital. This proves once again she waited some time before calling 911, I doubt the possibility to reanimate him would have expired if she had called 911 right away, as she claimed.
      I agree with the cuts in the shirt, I have always found extremely suspicious that she said she saw ‘2 cuts’

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