What Happened To Ryan Adams?

Written by | April 30, 2019 13:17 pm | 104 responses

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What happened to Ryan Adams? Since the New York Times scandalous article — and I will let you guess by yourself what I mean by scandalous — the famous singer songwriter’s career was canceled, simply erased from everything. No new record release (whereas ‘Big Colors’ was due this month), no tour, and a Twitter and an Instagram accounts turned black like a double funeral. Since the publication of the NY Times article mid-February, nothing, not one piece of news has been given to the fans who are still tearing themselves apart… over what exactly?? A huge finger pointing? A character assassination? But honestly, was there a real case? Is the FBI investigation over? And if they are not done, when is it over? Do they need more than 2 months to check a bunch of text messages sent to a 14-year-old girl? We want to know if a crime was committed.

An absence of news is not news, is not good news, or is it? Looking at the social media shit storm following the revelations of the NY Times, staying completely quiet was probably excellent advice to give to Ryan, I am just surprised he managed to stay silent for so long.

Throughout April, we got some sort of news through his ex-wife Mandy Moore and her ‘post-hell’ IG perfect life, since she was quite in the news lately, ‘Mandy Moore on why she was eager to marry again after alleged abusive relationship’, ‘Mandy Moore says divorce from Ryan Adams never affected how she felt about love’,… ‘Mandy Moore reveals she’s working on New Music’… I could go on and on, as all these articles do mention Ryan, in a bitter to semi triumphant way. No wonder Ryan Adams is so quiet, not only he is the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation, but the social media mob is still very much on his case, reactivated at each Mandy-Moore-focused article, and one comment could revive the fire.

The only supporter Adams has – although there are probably other people not saying anything in fear to be crucified by the #metoo movement –  is Bret Easton Ellis who has said in his podcast that the NY Times article, which brought Adams down, belonged to the National Enquirer. Ellis has also expressed his opinion through several media outlets like NME, the Irish Times,… ‘I am haunted by the way the indie musician Ryan Adams was portrayed in a New York Times piece that put him under the #MeToo banner because he liked to flirt with girls and promise them record contracts or they could play on his records if they flirted with him…. His wife Mandy Moore complained that, ‘Ryan was so controlling that I couldn’t make a record for six years.’ That was kind of about it,’ said the famous author, who regards the reaction to Ryan Adams’ sins as a typical backlash coming from the hypersensitive ‘Generation Wuss’.

As usual, I agree with Ellis, there is no case, just a troubled artist’s shitty behavior dissected through the lens of the current zealotry, and the cancellation of a career based on this NY Times article seems extreme and just ‘not right’. For months, Ryan Adams has completely disappeared from his fans’ lives, who were used to read his tweets and Instagram posts. Will the only’ news’ be some cheap book sold on Amazon and written by another woman too eager to tell us her bad internet experience with the singer-songwriter? If you search, there is already one with a cat on the cover, but since she did not want to tell me anything about her book, I can’t tell, but, at first glance, it sounds like another no-case, no-story piling up at the top of the Ryan Adams’ drama. If Ryan Adams’ career never recovers, and this is a serious possibility, he will be the first unjustifiable victim of the current enterprise to silence artists through social media melodrama.

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104 Responses to “What Happened To Ryan Adams?”

  1. Demolition Girl

    Thanks Alyson for writing this article in the wake of the cancel culture’s annhilation of Ryan Adams. Personally I feel there is commodification off of destroying another celebrity’s career as we have seen since the NYT printed their story based solely on allegations. We are seeing a chasm of divide develop between women (#metoo) and men. Equality cannot be made by destroying the opposite sex. Further, it has become increasingly difficult in both the non celebrity and celebrity to make error, have mental health or drug issues, or to make mistakes. This shows the increasingly less compassionate mindset of the world. I continue to support DRA.

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    • Corinne Story

      Hey Demolition Girl! We keep running into each other on the internet. Fancy that! 🙂

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    • Mrs. Lubner

      Seriously? The left creates the no holds barred culture and is more than happy when it ensnares anyone on the right. However, 99% of the people that have been destroyed by the “Me too movement” are leftists as well. In fact the slogan came from Hillary. So, if the teary eyed leftists are crying about one singer who was exposed for his disgusting manipulative behavior, and trying to get into the pants of 12 year olds, they have no one to blame but themselves.

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  2. Lizanne Knott

    Thank you for writing an intelligent article that sheds some light here. It was absolutely insane the way social media jumped on Ryan! Who, over the age of 30, doesn’t have an ex with an axe to grind or jilted friend who wanted more.. obviously the FBI had no case or it would have graced every front page by now. It’s a crazy world out there with Trump at the helm and everyone judging everyone else. Ryan was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and his entire career is suffering because of it. If he wants to make a comeback there are so many out here to support him. I for one, will continue to.

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    • Drunicusrex

      I’m not convinced that Trump is behind the current trend of criminalizing any and all “toxic” male behavior.
      I think it’s the causal opposite.
      If anything the last presidential election was a reaction, partly, to the notion that men oppress and abuse women and should therefore be collectively punished, from Ryan Adams or Garrison Keillor to Justice Kavanaugh.
      When you demonize an entire group, they’re very unlikely to vote for your agenda.

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      • Taylor With Cats

        Agreed… this whole situation ought to put the personal politics into perspective

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    • robert thibodeau

      Yes Liane, right on. Hopefully Ryan Adams is working on some strong songs. Hopefully such experiences will make us all stronger, smarter, wiser, and still more creative rather than creatively still. ~robert of mayflower

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  3. Justafan

    Nice article. I think it sums up what those of us who have stuck by adams have been saying from the beginning. Even if every allegation is true, so what?

    The NYT did a hit piece to sell papers and take Adams done but they have done no follow-up. Don’t they have a duty to report it if the FBI investigation is over? Shouldn’t we know?

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  4. Piperzz

    His career will not be destroyed by this. If anything, his album sales will be greater because his name is in the spotlight worldwide right now. Ryan Adams is a music writing machine, and the music is outstanding most of the time. An American treasure. As long as he puts of great records, fans will keep buying them and also keep buying concert tickets.
    Mandy Moore is writing music again?? Thank god! I’ve been waiting patiently ever since her last great single … ummm, uh?? Hmmm. Can’t seem to think of the name of any Mandy Moore song. Oh well.

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    • FireDean

      Nice reality check. Blame others for the monumental challange of writing good songs ? Nice try Mandy. Im so glad im now free to blame my wife for inisting i help pay the bills. No wonder i have writers block, its her fault! Stars Go F’ n Blue!

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    • Erik

      Yeah, ant wait for that Mandy Moore album ha ha, what a farce.

      Ryan Adams, we miss you goddammit!

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  5. Duane Greaves

    We need more articles like this. Non of what I read about Ryan in the NY Times article other than the ‘alleged’ texts to a 14 year old girl constitutes a crime. He may have been a bit of a**hole to these women but all we have heard a 2nd hand encounter. It’s their word against his. With the #metoo movement it seems evidence is not important speculation and opinion is gospel rather than logic or facts.

    I love Ryan Adams music. He inspired me to write songs, express myself and be more confident as person being mixed race guy in the north of England where I grew up his music spoke to me.

    I hope all is well for him.

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  6. Nadine

    I gotta say I disagree. This may be an uncool opinion here, but I’m gonna stick by it. I loved Ryan Adams as an artist. But, the kind of accusations leveled against him in that New York Times article were so familiar to me, I couldn’t ignore them. All accounts paint him as emotionally abusive towards the women in his life. Maybe the exchange with the 15 year old girl was the only thing that w could be considered “illegal”, but the abuse was unforgivable. His response, his denial and non-apology, sounded so familiar to me as a woman who lived through an emotionally abusive relationship. It sounded exactly like the things my ex husband said about his actions after I had him arrested for attacking me. Seeing the way Adams responded made me sick.

    The “canceling” of his career was the response of his fans and his record label, saying that they would not support or promote the art of an abusive man. If enough of his fans were upset and hurt by his actions to shut down or stall his career, I think that only proves how these people feel about giving their money and adorations to an abuser.

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    • Bazza

      Unforgivable?? Bit hyperbolic. No path to redemption then? If this is unforgivable, then what is your response to say….murder?!? You are part of the problem.

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      • James Rumball

        Indeed Nadine is really part of the problem here. The whole Ryan Adams story smacks of a vastly, troubled and hugely talented artist that has been under the wheels of several gigantic and potential killers. Drugs and heartbreak are the stuff of all his dreams and nightmares. We live in a world where privileged, upper class mostly white women are hitting back through the organs of manufacturing consent i.e. the likes of NYT, The Guardian etc., and arrogantly testifying to how they have been so downtrodden. Their outrage is horribly misplaced. I cannot feel anything for these women. The women of all races who need protecting are being ignored, those that do not have any economic power whatsoever. Please let us talk about them and have their articles be withering against the capitalist, patriarchal oppression that permeates their lives constantly. In the light of all that they suffer at the hands of seriously violent and abusive and disenfranchised or even enfranchised men how is it possible not to laugh at the women now making a song and dance about what they had to do to Harvey to further their millionaire star careers or how Mandy is still upset about Ryan threatening to kill himself if he doesn’t get a text message he is desperate for? This is a far cry from rape or physically forcing a woman to perform sexual favours. It is even a far cry from masturbating in front of strangers a la Louis CK. What about constantly battered women in projects all over the US in council estates and all the shanty towns and ghettos first or third world? Mandy Moore is probably indeed having trouble writing anything to remotely sound as good as just one of Ryan Adams many beautiful and tortured songs and he certainly is a monster in her eyes for that alone. Until some definitively and undeniably contemptuous abuse of women emerges about Ryan Adams I can only think this is sour grapes from the lesser talented variety of female artist who should herself lay low and pay penance to the far less fortunate females that have experienced more horror in a few minutes on a daily basis than Mandy is ever likely to get a sniff of in her entire life.

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    • Leonie

      I totally agree. He made his bed & having to ‘lie low’ for a few months for treating many women so poorly is surely not going to kill him. It may actually give hime time to reflect on his position in the industry as a person of influence who should be empowering women not confusing them & dangling carrots. Oh & treating them with the respect they deserve.

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      • JC

        Best reply on this entire thread. Common sense and concise. He did emotionally abuse a number of women and he should have a path to redemption. We are not the sum of our worst mistakes.

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      • Anon-a-miss

        Do they deserve respect because they are women or do you know these women personally and know they deserve respect? How do we know they didn’t dangle themselves before Ryan and make him promises if he would just help advance their careers? That’s the problem, we’ve heard one side of the story from people who clearly have an axe to grind, whether or not their claims are true, and we’ve decided his guilt without hearing from him.

        People who do this are part of the problem while pretending to be the solution.

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      • The Dutchess

        Why, why, why should we expect Ryan Adams, or any man, to be empowering women? Isn’t the whole point for women to be autonomous; to seize and exercise their own power? Part of which is making choices and accepting responsibility for the consequences of those choices.

        Yes, at a fundamental level everyone does deserve respect but just a hypothetical here. If the women making the allegations had been groupies rather than musicians, would anyone give a shit? My guess is no because I’ve read biographies of musicians who have boasted of treating women in the most appalling degrading way and there hasn’t been so much as a raised eyebrow. Seriously, Gene Simmons has bragged of sleeping with thousands of women but, like, I’m sure he treated every one of them with the utmost respect.

        If these women had been groupies, the silence would be deafening. Worse still, the harshest judgments and strongest criticism would have been doled out by other women. I guess it’s not just about the identity of the alleged perpetrator but also the status of the alleged victims. Pretty ethereal women who sleep with musicians to advance their careers deserve respect but groupies who sleep with musicians because they love the music are just hos.

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        • Sissy

          Thank you, Dutchess, for your laser focused perspective on this matter. All of your remarks are correct and, as a woman, I agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve personally fought for my position in a male dominated profession by working harder and being better than my colleagues all while doing it on my terms and not losing my personal identity through conformity. That’s what female empowerment should be about.

          I’ve also been in relationships gone bad. These things are a matter of one’s perspective and we all have the free will to make good or bad choices. How we react to any given situation is of utmost importance even in our littlest day to day actions and reactions. I cannot wrap my head around entitled women who think it’s okay to talk about these things in the public domain to gain traction in their careers. That is what this is about and little more. Karma, in the end, may be unkind to these publicity seekers.

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    • Duane Greaves

      I’m sorry but no. Once again you have only heard one side of the story and not his. Emotional abuse swings both ways. Do you think that these women would have been interested in Ryan had he not been an influential musician? Do you not think that it didn’t occur to them that being with Ryan would further their music career? And that because they didn’t get what they were supposedly promised made them react this way? Because that happens all the time. Let’s see what comes to light before throwing stones eh?

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      • JC

        You clearly haven’t read the article Duane. As for throwing stones, they’ve already been thrown by one of his best friends Jason isbell who says he believes the women. You also clearly don’t know Ryan wisenbaker and Marshall vore, his former guitarist and drummer respectively, have also come and out and validated the allegations and his abusive behavior.

        So Duane, to be clear, it’s not a he said/she said. It’s a she said and a lot of his friends said she’s right. Don’t muddy waters here. They are crystal clear. Ryan Adams was emotionally abusive to multiple women, including his wife.

        That said, I am not judging and as I said earlier, we are not the sum of our worst mistakes. I hope he comes out of this by healing himself and doing his best to repair the damage his behavior caused in so many relationships.

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      • Mary

        I agree there are two sides to every story. Society tends to side with women very quickly. Some women use their feminine charm on men in hope of getting what they may want. If women want to be respected and feel like equals they have to admit they are capable of bad things like deceit, too. The only problem is they can get away with this behavior because society has allowed them to. Not everything is in black and white. Read between the lines.

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    • Erik

      How can you even say think those things, mass media hardly ever get it right.
      We don’t know half the story, and here you are taking the media news as truth.
      You are part of the problem.

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        • Sissy

          Would that be the Marshall Vore who left Ryan with Phoebe Bridgers to date her? Maybe it’s me, but none of these people seem to be of quality. And let’s not overlook an article in 2014 where Phoebe herself says that a friend of hers who knew Ryan engineered her meeting with him. Now she says that Ryan reached out to her? So which is it? People are not being honest here. We deserve to know the truth, not the fame seeking women’s versions of it.

          Perspective. Let’s take a hard look at Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. Amber has been outed as a liar. Funny how no one is writing about that either. And #metoo is dead silent. Probably because they propped her up as their poster girl. Oops.

          Bret Easton Ellis was right in his assertion. And Lizanne. If the FBI had a case, it would be front page news.

          How sad we are. The human condition. Funny how metoo hasn’t mentioned Jeffrey Epstein. That should be the real issue. Criminal rape of girls.

          Mandy was right about one thing. She chose the wrong man to marry but that is meaningless because you can’t fault Ryan for that. He was drugged out on prescription meds and booze. She wasn’t.

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        • The Dutchess

          The article in the link is a steaming pile of self-serving crap. As I recall, it was published in the immediate aftermath of one of the women accusing those around RA of enabling his behaviour. Suddenly his guitarist goes on the record supporting the women, condemning the behaviour and frantically trying to distance himself from any shit hitting the fan. Why did he not speak out sooner? Because he was actively afraid for the safety of his family. WTF? Is this the same guitarist whose wife released an album which RA was involved with? Strange to allow a “monster” – another direct quote – to work with one’s wife, don’t you think? All the article proves is Ryan Adams should have chosen his friends and his lovers more carefully. I have the deepest empathy for women in abusive relationships but these women are not victims and they make a mockery of women who genuinely are trapped in abusive relationships. They chose to enter a sexual relationship to advance their careers. More power to them but don’t go whining to the media when you don’t achieve your objectives. It sounds like a sleazy arrangement but I’m not sure if it’s a reflection on Ryan Adam’s character or the women’s!

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    • Julius Caesar

      if you dont like who youre married to or how they treat you, you leave them. in Mandy Moore’s case, ahe stayed 6 years or more. and Karen Ellson seems to like “ abusive” men. she was with Jack White prior. abuse is wrong. i’m with you 100% . luckily, you have two legs, a brain, a voice, a car, and money for a divorce lawyer. just leave ?‍♂️

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    • RD

      Nadine, not his fans. Not his record label who delayed to determine if he’s actually guilty of a crime. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. It is sad that there has been no real follow up and I now see his store is closed so that’s sad for his many fans who still support him even though he’s a flawed human just like us all.

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    • The Dutchess

      I think your experience is entirely different, Nadine. You did not consent to your ex attacking you but these women did consent to entering a sexual relationship in exchange for advancing their careers. Therefore, he may be guilty of breaking his promises, of being a liar, but would these women be complaining if he had fast-tracked their careers? So where is the abuse?

      How would you have had him respond? Nothing he said would have satisfied those who had already condemned him. In fact, there was a statement along the lines of having a different perspective which, in my opinion, is entirely plausible. Everyone is simply assuming the women are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Remember the famous quote: “There are three sides to every story: your side, my side and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each differently”.

      His career has not been cancelled. I think it was inevitable his sponsorships would be withdrawn because businesses are notorious cowards about being associated with someone whose reputation is being attacked, regardless of whether the allegations have been proven. I think he did the right thing cancelling the UK tour because it would have become a circus with media and protestors circling like vultures.

      Most of his fans have not abandoned him. His “demographic” is not starry-eyed tweens who expect air-brushed perfection in appearance and manner. I stopped expecting my idols to be flawless about the time I realised my own character sometimes fell somewhat short of stellar.

      At the end of the day, the music industry is just another business. They wouldn’t care if Ryan Adams was the Grim Reaper as long as he was “shifting units”. The controversy will ebb, another celebrity will be disgraced and it will be business as usual.

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  7. Nora Hunter

    Wow. You are truly really proud of your internalized misogyny. As a young teen what attracted me to indie/rock/punk music was its promise to tear down all the obvious bullshit in the world. Sad to see as a grown up, people willingly defending the perpetrators of said bullshit who masquerade behind the proper signifiers.
    As I read the accounts of 3 different women, one married to him, one whose inappropriate relationship started as an underage teen, my stomach churned. If you’ve read them and aren’t disturbed, I submit that maybe you don’t really understand consent?? Or any of the other deep but nuanced abuses of power going on here. Not hard to believe given your clearly displayed terrible writing (even from a purely grammatical + flow/organization standpoint).
    PS – LOL @ the Bret Easton Ellis stanning!

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    • Ron Belin

      No one knows what this one commenter is saying: NOONE knows what the New York Times had as validation to accuse or even intone illegality publicly without follow up validation or response format.
      The FBI has not investigates David Ryan Adams and if they had I HAVE TO BELIEVE I WOULD HAVE HEARD SOMEHIWBFROM THEM SINCE I HAVE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BEING IN POSSESSION OF SCRATCH SHEETS FOR THE AUTHORSHIP OF ONLY ALL LYRICAL MATERIAL FOR DRA’S FIRST 16 Indie publications
      INDIE PUBLICATIONS..? ..RIGHT THE NYTIMES AND ANY OF THE “CANCELLERS” FOR CONTRACTED PUBLICATION AND/OR PERFORMANCE ARE LIBEL And LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE AS IN ANY INSTANCE Of CONTRACTUAL LAW INFRACTIONS: THIS IS ENTIRELY BOGUS BY ALL APPEARANCES AND IF INNUENDO OR “ rumor” is so all pervasive reality when PRONOUNCED BY MAJOR MEDIA WHY CAN WE SUPPOSE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT 95% of DRA’s lyrical body to date has been co-written is STONE-COLD ROSES !?
      Ryan Adams Music is valid and entirely disconnected to any of these accusers or the MEDIAS’ soap opera psychological meanderings and can be published and WE WILL BUY IT AND ATTEND IT

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    • Kurt Lurch

      Ah, yes. The victimhood gravy train fan club. Have you ever just stopped and really listened to your own nonsense? You would be slightly entertaining if you weren’t so pathetic and sad. I know. Misogyny, patriarchy, girl power, blah, blah, blah. Just know this collective #metoo temper tantrum just makes it harder for real victims of abuse. Everyone is born with free will. Any of these women could have changed their situation at any time. Meanwhile women in the Middle East are being stoned to death by Muslim fanatics and you are feeling sad for privileged white women who used their bodies as currency, then stomped their feet when they didn’t get their way.

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    • Demolition Girl

      So, your period of indie/rock/punk whatever in your teens he didn’t speak anything to you about individual thought and liberty? Damn, I guess being a female teen in the 80’s and being a part of the US punk movement taught me different. Like: don’t be a fucking sheep, own your shit (this goes for women, too), don’t trust ALL media by first glance & certainly the 5th estate (Chomsky). You are sanctimonious at the start of your response then insulting to the writer at the end. Consent? WTF? Hold on……hold on……..there’s a call for you Nora Hunter —- it’s the #MeToo sorority. They need you to grab your pussy hat and head over to the Starbucks there’s a guy creeping on your sorority sister.

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  8. Shanelle

    I agree with everything said in this article. When I watched the media uproar over this situation unfold, I found myself thinking, “wow. He sounds like a creep, but are we actually taking him down for it?” His behaviors sound like those of so many narcissistic, controlling husbands/boyfriends. Their behaviors are frustrating and maddening, but not illegal. He’s a jerk maybe, but there’s nothing that happened in his relationships that is unexpected or unusual of a jerk. It seems like Mandy spent too long in an unhappy situation to me. As much as I’d love to assassinate the character of the narcissist in my life, the truth is, people have a right to be assholes if they want to. Ryan Adams sounds like a shitty boyfriend, not an appropriate *metoo target.

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  9. Jason Fylan

    Thank you for writing this. Ryan was taken down by #metoo heretic witches Phoebe Bridgers, Jenny Lewis, and Mandy Moore, all of whom received huge career boosts from their foot-stomping tantrums. Their timing was so transparently orchestrated to coincide with his new album and subsequent tour. Anyone who supports taking someone down with zero evidence of any actual wrong-doing is supporting a society that brings the torches and pitchforks without just cause. If you are one of those people, know that one day the karma train will roll into town, right over your back.

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  10. Patrick Newman

    First of all FUCK MANDY MOORE! What a loser. Secondly, I dont know if Ryan Adam’s did anything criminal or not, does anyone? Did he make a mistake? Probably. It’s all a bit too vague for me to judge the dud

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  11. Phil M

    Ryan has always been a musical inspiration to me. I will not forget how his songs have got me through life. I sincerely hope this all blows over and he comes back from this successfully.

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  12. Victoria

    Yes definitely return back to the world that can be cruel YET hold your head high, man you are a rock star! Come on! Dust yourself off, make amends and grow up.

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  13. Emma W

    Rather suspicious that this article diminished and probably deliberately mischaracterised the abusive and controlling behaviour of Adams because it serves the political motivations of the (poor) writer.

    He was a creep. People don’t like listening to music created by creeps. It’s really not that difficult to grasp. His die hard fans will have trouble coming to terms with his creepo behaviour controlling and abusing women and ynderage girls, however, there’s no excuse for hacks and online commentators to perform confused consternation about the MeToo movement landing at Adams’ feet. Unless of course, your only motivation is to oppose MeToo. Why else would you avoid discussing the alleged behaviour of Adams??

    What a dreadful article.

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    • Gene

      Hear, hear.

      It’s only been a few months since the article was printed. If things eventually play out in such a way that I’m comfortable considering myself a fan of his music again, that would be okay but it’s not very important to me. Personally speaking, it’s more important to help establish a culture where allegations from women can be heard and taken seriously, regardless of who they’re levied against. There can be no sacred cows.

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  14. Steve

    I read one are two articles about how he was supposed to have maltreated his wife and ex girlfriend but I hope Ryan doesn’t just disappear from the music world as he is a major talent.
    Whether he was performing with The Cardinals, with Caitlin Cary in Whiskeytown or a solo acoustic set he always sent you home satisfied.

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  15. Duane Greaves

    There are a lot of people have read the article and read NYC Times article and it’s important thing people are missing. Facts are facts. Opinions aren’t fact. In those women’s reality they feel they have been misstreated. When you recollect something your mind deletes, distaughts and generalizes this actual fact and their have been studies on this going back to the Freudian era. How do we know their reality is fact? Do we take their word for it or do we get the facts? We may never know the facts so what do you do? Do you decide hate someone based on how someone felt the way they were treated or hate them based on truth? Let’s be objective people

    #metoo expect men to check their misogyny and patriarchal attitude at the door but aren’t women supposed to do the same with their misandry and matriarchal attitude?

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  16. Dan

    Did none of you crazies read the article about him getting Albert Hammond Jr hooked on heroin? Or see his inflammatory tweets? The man is a piece of shit, I loved him for years but I’m glad he’s in the trash now were he belongs.

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    • Catpack

      Exactly! Totally agree. It wasn’t all just about these women’s accusations, it was everything else in between. I think he’s is a piece of shit as well. If I did some of the shit he’s been accused of I’d have been be fired and lost some friends for being such a dickhead. The thing that I disliked the most was his reaction. He acts like the victim! Its embarrassing.
      Suppose it all just points out our own tolerance levels for other peoples behaviour.

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  17. Ron

    I hope he comes back, he may a bit of a dbag but what famous, rich, young person hasn’t been? He should make a comeback. Cancelling the tour was stupid. The album’s are hopefully just delayed.

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  18. Simon c

    He’s acted like an asswhole, sure. But all of these girls chose to be in his thrall. Any of them could walked at any time. People are pricks, get over it, its not an excuse for being too weak to walk out on him.

    As a side issue, if there’s any truth to the illegality claims, he’ll be charged, if not he’ll be suing journos.

    Would I want him near my daughter, hell no. He’s a manipulative, misogynistic prick. But he does write great songs, and I imagine this’ll feed his writing for a good time to come.

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  19. Andi

    You know that you’re utterly talentless musically when even a great musician like Ryan Adams couldn’t do anything for your career.

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  20. Taylor With Cats

    This is the first article I’ve come across that I agree with. Us fans aren’t even biased; we admit he might not be someone to put on a pedestal but the shredding of his career over hearsay is crossing a line to make a point for the sake of choosing sides without proof, and I don’t see how that can be productive as a whole. Thank you for sharing. It’s been difficult to see Ryan Adams being written about as if he cornered a child in an alley and pulled his pants down, when other celebrities have been forgiven easily for doing just about that or worse. Today has brought new some hope because I see the Ryan Adams store is potentially opening up again and then read this. It might be a long wait for the new music, but at least there’s lots of unreleased bootlegs to discover in the meantime ✌

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  21. Mr Brown

    I will tell you what I’ve cancelled. My association to the Western White Women. Burn. In. Hell. Get me a proper woman, not this self entitled deadwood.

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  22. Bryan Radams

    Here is a comparison. Pheobe calls Ryan and asshole and they label it ‘mild criticism’. Ryan says Mandy isnt a real musician. Its ‘emotional abuse’. But, you have to get to the last song on her fourth album (release long before she married Ryan Adams) to see a co-written song. Her music is sold via sex appeal. Now we get to hear a river of tears about how Ryan stalled her career and he is a sexual predator. What a big steaming pile of S***. This must be the equality everyone keeps banging on about. The NYT seem to be very content however in employing Sarah Jeong. You can google her tweets if you like. She is a Racist Asian women. Pick and choose media, pick and choose. Donald Trump is right. They are terrible people. They always have been. They just have more power now. While I am ranting, how about that girl that removed Ryans song credit but left the song on her album. What a joke. I hope the sues, he has every right to. Geoffrey Rush anyone? MeToo is going to backfire on women. You watch!

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  23. Gary. Ireland

    Having been a fan for almost 20 years, hearing the story about Ryan my initial thought was one of disappointment in him. But having looked further into the story I can’t help but agree with the above comments in that the public/ tabloids have been too quick in throwing him on the #metoo bandwagon for being guilty of what is (in reality) a very minor offense in relation to the overall idea of what #metoo was actually meant to represent. Granted, I have heard that Ryan has for the most of his career, been hard to work with and can be an asshole, but so was Prince (RIP). I have also been considering how Ryan would react to the situation and backlash. Record pulled, tour cancelled, reputation personal and professional has been tarnished. For a man with a history of, what I would consider, mental struggles and drug abuse I can’t help but be worried he may fall back into his “dark years”

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  24. AA Blondie

    It would actually be cool if he never came back. His breed of poor-me drug addled white men should have died out in the 70’s. No one needs men like him getting good guitarists hooked on heroin or tearing down talented women.

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    • RD

      Looks like you’re 3% of the sum total, Blondie and JC. I, for one, will wait until MMs album tanks critically since she’s third rate behind Brittany and Christina. #Metoo when used for an agenda such as has been done here cannot be taken credibly and makes my eyes glaze over.

      Btw Ryan’s albums are not canceled and he scrapped the tour himself not the promoters.

      If this thread is proof of anything, it is that 97% of his fans support a comeback which will now be bigger than ever.

      Funny that none of his other self respecting former girlfriends are trashing him. They are probably waiting for this stink to pass over. Relationships fade sometimes. Rape and violence against wives/girlfriends are criminal not moody behavior. If you want to say that he stifled careers, I’ll say that he never withheld any releases. And who among us don’t put self first. None of us really know what went on behind the scenes.

      Btw MM had no problem asking for $37K per month to care for her cats and dogs and then try to keep his 2 favorites from him. This is seriously not a normal person. This is a cruel publicity seeking woman who is emasculating her current husband by not being able to shut up about her first husband. He is another third rate musician whose band isn’t even signed to a label. My goodness, Intelligent self respecting women see this for the bs it is. And yeah, if there was a criminal case, the FBI would have charged him already.

      Signed by a self respecting highly educated woman who would never enter into a relationship for anything but love.

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  25. TRD

    Looks like the naysayers are 3% of the sum total. I, for one, will wait until MMs album tanks critically since she’s a third rate pop star who doesn’t have the pinkie full of talent that Brittany and Christina possess.

    #Metoo when used for an agenda such as has been done here cannot be taken credibly and makes my eyes glaze over.

    Btw Ryan’s albums are not canceled and he scrapped the tour himself not the promoters. And he is still signed to his label.

    If this thread is proof of anything, it is that 97% of his fans support a comeback which will now be bigger than ever.

    Funny that none of his other self respecting former girlfriends are trashing him. They are probably waiting for this stink to pass over. Relationships sour and fade sometimes. Rape and violence against wives/girlfriends are criminal not moody behavior. Ryan never beat or raped. If you want to say that he stifled careers, one could say that he never withheld any releases he produced. And who among us don’t put self first? None of us really know what went on behind the scenes.

    Btw MM had no problem asking for $37K per month to care for her cats and dogs and then try to keep his 2 favorites from him. This is seriously not a normal person. This is a cruel publicity seeking woman who is emasculating her current husband, a third rate musician whose band isn’t even signed to a label, by being unable to shut up about her first husband. My goodness, Intelligent self respecting women see this for the bs it is. And yeah, if there was a criminal case, the FBI would have charged him already.

    Women should never enter into a relationship for anything but love.

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  26. Caitlyn

    I love what is happening. Guys being called out for not being real men and not treating ladies with the respect they deserve. It is hilarious that such a huge article was published on it. The fact that Brett Easton Ellis is taking his side is not a good sign (American psycho writer, hellooo not exactly not a mysogynist) seems like they both have trouble understanding and appreciating the opposite sex for more than just sex. What a couple of sex crazed losers! Lol.

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  27. Patio

    I have been hoping and waiting for an article like this to appear for far too long now! Thank you! Ryan Adams has never been a secret. Mandy, Pheobe, etc., knew who they were dealing with…an ego maniac with an inferiority complex, an introspective musical genius, whose coping skills included addicting amounts of drugs and alcohol. If you got on his crazy train, how are you a victim of what you knew would become of things? At best, you are ignorant and self-serving. No one makes anyone stop writing bad music. No one makes anyone co-write and co-produce a song that finally puts someone on the map of relevance. No one makes anyone become addicted. A whole lotta personal decisions that conveniently get tossed into the victim protection program. No one is a victim here. Hopefully, Ryan is dealing with some of his character defects. I am looking forward to his next album. Be well, be honest, be kind.

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  28. Vann

    The truth is usually in the middle somewhere. Thank you for writing an article that moves the story more to that place.

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  29. Christopher Michael Murphy

    “Believe the women” is very dangerous and assumes that women cannot be as devious as men.

    He’s possibly guilty of a girl misrepresenting her age and having consensual relationships with women “in the workplace” that went sour.

    This is a take-down……we’ve entered a new Victorian era……thanks to a coordinated movement on the left, ironically.

    A conversation about fair treatment for women is great, overcompensation is not. Generalizations/assumptions about gender are never okay, no matter the gender.

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  30. Jan

    Thanks for that enlightening article. As a man who suffered in an emotionally abusive relationship with a woman, may I just say that being in a relationship with a abuser was partially my own fault. I managed to divorce and am wiser now than I was then. It is not against the law (and difficult to police anyway) for anyone to emotionally abuse their partner, however unpleasant that is. If anything, I blame myself for not gathering the courage and energy to walk away sooner.
    I’ve always found Ryan Adams a bit of a knob, but a talented musician. Considering people should only be convicted when proven guilty (and should be considered innocent up to that point) I would still be interested in buying his unrealesed albums. Should he be convicted, I will reconsider what I do with his music. Everyone deserves to be treated the same, celebrity or not. I hop e the FBI investigation results willbe published sooner rather than later. If a crime has been comitted it should be punished. If not I do sincerely hope that there will be an appologies from both sides and that bygones will be bygones.

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  31. B Gwin

    Thank you for this article. I wanted so badly to respond to Rolling Stones’ recent article/editorial saying Adams was “hiding in plain sight.” I think it’s incompetent of such a publication to cite an artist’s lyrics to prove anything. I’ve been a writer since I was a teen. (Trust me, that was a long while ago.) Inspiration, especially in songwriting and poetry, comes from many things, places, people, emotions, moments … You get the point. I’m glad someone felt they could take a step back from the chaos and voice another point of view, even if it’s not the most popular one at this point in time.

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    • RD

      Thank you, B. The Rolling Stone article was incredibly out of line. Poetry analysis just like song writing analysis can be an exercise in futility. It’s also infuriating that they don’t allow anyone to comment on their articles. I’ve read that The NY Times investigation was from an anonymous tip (Miss Phoebe Bridgers is my guess).

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      • B Gwin

        Yes, I was frustrated to not be able to comment on the Rolling Stone article directly. I wasn’t sure if anyone else was thinking like me or if it was all lost in the chaos. I don’t know him. I can’t speak to his character directly. Mandy Moore (whom I’ve always liked before) can be labeled as one of “America’s Sweethearts”, but did she initiate the conversation or did a reporter? His his past makes him an easy target, and mob mentality reared its ugly head. I’ve only read a lot of opinion, some facts from his past, but nothing that proves anything in the present. We expect our “heroes”, “idols”, “stars” and whatnot to be perfect, but they’re people. Is he being lynched now for past transgressions just as he was sobering up and on the verge of a great year? Guess we may never know now, and it’s sad.

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  32. B Gwin

    Just a note: When I said “past transgressions,” I was talking about the issues that happened publicly or were brought to light years ago.

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    • RD

      I’ve read that The NY Times investigation was started through an anonymous tip line. I am only speculating that it was Phoebe Bridgers. We’ll never know, but it’s crazy that she can write whatever she likes with impunity. And now we’re to believe that every Ryan Adams song is a dark spirited truth? C’mon. Taylor Swift and almost ever songwriter is inspired by deep hurt. Just an aside, I noticed that Rolling Stone allowed comments on new article, so interesting to note. Maybe they are reading our comments.

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      • B Gwin

        As a former journalist, I’m having a difficult time with what they call “investigative reporting” these days. I’m happy to see not everyone is snowed by the fact that it was reported by The NYT. It’s difficult to find a credible news source (on any subject) these days. It makes me glad I left the business. But, as for Ryan Adams, he has talent, and despite his very public past, my belief is that he’s being used a scapegoat. People are out to “expose” the sexist wrongdoers right now and skewer them with their pitchforks. My question is: How do they keep turning blind eyes on the ones who have been accused of much worse crimes (talkin’ rape here) and been proven to have done something violently criminal. From the outside looking in, it tends to depend who is making the accusation. And, hey RD, thanks for keeping this conversation going.

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  33. Matt

    Worked out as great publicity for MM
    I have loved Ryan Adams’ music since Whiskeytown days, and always will.
    I would think any fan of his, who listens to his lyrics, would realize the guy is pretty troubled, and probably can be a jerk.
    I think we all can, sometimes.
    He is not my buddy, I just love his music, so what he does in his life is really of no concern to me.

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    • B Gwin

      It seems art comes from the rawest of emotions – good or bad – and Ryan Adams has a reputation for outbursts. I agree, many of his songs seem to come from a troubled soul. His writing – be it poetry or song lyrics – and music are most likely his outlets.
      I’m with you on this. He’s talented, and I’m still listening.

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  34. RD

    So I’m gonna say it. Why hasn’t anyone brought up Elvis in this “scandalous” discussion? The fact is, Priscilla was 14 years old when she moved into Elvis’ home and she was physically involved in a romantic relationship. Ryan Adams used poor judgement for sure, but never did anything that can be considered criminal. I guess someone should ask Jade Bird if she’s deleting her Elvis collection as well.

    There are so many other musicians who have done horrible things including rape, murder, severe domestic violence. Can some explain why Ryan Adams instead of other serious criminals?

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    • B Gwin

      You had to go there … Kidding! That’s a GREAT example! I hadn’t even thought of him.
      The explanation seems a simple one. The #metoo movement not only brought to light wrongdoings in the entertainment world, it incited a witch hunt of sorts. I could delve much deeper than I am, but not gonna do it.
      Anyway, Ryan Adams was witch of the month. I’m not saying he wasn’t jerky to some women. I’m saying his case blew up because … Oh my gosh, who would stifle a sweetie like Mandy Moore? And, who would have the gall to flirt with a little-known musician of the opposite sex who assumes a relationship might help in the Indie music industry but then doesn’t deliver? (Because the general public has known for decades that it’s been rampant in other music genres, but, hey, that’s old news, right?) And, who doesn’t check IDs of everyone they message with online? Wait … What?
      Moore’s career has shot through the roof, and even the magazines now excitedly gush about her “marigold sweater” that’s a must-have for women this spring.
      Bridgers got her 15 minutes in the shiny media spotlight. People now know her name, and she received virtual hugs for her troubles.
      And the #metoo on Instagram has blown up with every female’s 30-second run-in with Ryan Adams.
      (Excuse me while I dry heave over here.)
      So, while Elvis still “lives” and bloggers beg for the release date of the new Tool album, I guess we wait for Adams’ exoneration and hope he still puts out that awesome sounding album that we just barely got a taste of.

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      • RD

        I’m a woman so I know when to call bullsh*t. I’m not sure if Mandy Moore is the sweetheart everyone thinks she is. Maybe it’s just me, but watching her during the awards season, she looked simply power hungry. It was the look in her eyes that caught my attention. Love and hate are 2 sides of the same coin as they say. But revenge is never sweet when hate is involved. Best to let karma do its thing. I do think this is going to backfire at some point. And here we are almost 4 months since the scandal and nothing from the FBI. I suspect there was no case and they’re not even investigating. The rag sheets just want to sell magazines and there are so many other more egregious stories now that make the Ryan Adams story look weak by comparison.

        Anyway, yeah, Elvis.

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        • admin

          I try to keep out of these things but… but Presley? Elvis had Priscilla’s parents approval t date her and married her. A better example might be Jerry Lee, who married his 13 year old cousin, or Charlie Watts, whose girlfriend was 13, or David Bowie, who took a thirteen year old girls virginity before fobbing her off to Jimmy Page, or Mr. Stray Cat Blue’s” “Yes I believe you’re only fifteen years old, I don’t want your ID…”

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          • B Gwin

            This is what I mean by it being acceptable to people because “Well, it’s rock n’ roll”. Why do they get a pass? No one was/is unloading their records. Bowie is still idolized. Lewis is still played long after his death. Ryan Adams hurts a bunch of girls’ feelings, and (unknowingly?) sexts with a 16-year-old, and now he’s a monster? Elvis knowingly pursued and dated a 14-year-old, permission or not. I mean, this is all a matter of perspective and opinion for us here. The NYT boosted its readership by publishing rumors, and the fair weather fans all reacted by bashing. There was nowhere for the rest of us to have our say.

          • RD

            Sorry to admin. I’m not sure how to respond to your statement. I do agree Jerry Lee Lewis et al. I hope we hear good news that Ryan is back soon so thank you for your story. So many others have just crucified the man for far less than others have done.

        • B Gwin

          I’m a woman, too, who was married to an actual narcissist. (People need to check their definitions because that word is WAY overused.) My abuser threatened to kill me, forced me to have sex, gaslighted me, guilted me, tore apart my self-esteem, tried to seclude me from my friends and family,
          and it is quite clear he is incapable of loving anyone – even his own children (from other relationships). The reported stories – if true – are about a man who may be arrogant and maybe downright mean at times, but it sounds like they’re blaming him for not meeting their expectations, both of him and themselves. It’s another gossip story that somehow jumped over the tabloids and into what was once considered a reputable news source. It wasn’t really even news if you read it. It was blown out of proportion by a “reporter”.
          And, to the administrator, the others caused a stir in the media. Elvis’s marriage was looked upon as sweet, and the fact that he had the parents’ permission does not excuse the fact that he was attracted to a 14-year-old. I’m an Elvis fan, too. I just think the Ryan Adams case is in dire need of some perspective. And, thank you again for this story. At least it started some dialogue.

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          • RD

            B, thank you for your perspective. I don’t think any of us could say it better.

  35. Charles

    Maybe Ryan should exclusively tour abroad? Somewhere far away from Social Media.

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  36. Homer Jay

    If you don’t like his art, then don’t pay attention to it or support it. But just because you don’t approve of someone’s personal behavior doesn’t mean “you” or anyone else can prevent them from creating art and expressing themselves.

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      • RD

        Mike, fair enough as long as you don’t listen to Led Zeppelin, David Bowie, The Stones, The Stray Cats and The Eagles or Michael Jackson either.

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  37. pablo salvatore

    i think ryan should come back now, i am also worried he is passing thru dark times…
    his actions altho very ass-hole-ish, do not garner enough bad points to end a carrer. the worst part is he lost his gear endorsements, he was about to release an amplifier (which seems to be near perfect), he lost his VCR pedal (which is absolutly amazing) and the worst part is he was working on a prototype with fender for his signature guitar…imagine being in the same rank as some of his idols (johnny marr for example, which also has a fender signature guitar) after working his whole life for it and just having everything taken for being a troubled soul. screw the #meToo movement, im all about equality and women rights, but this became a circus too quick.

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  38. Adam Lafferty

    Hi, I’m afraid most of you are overlooking bthe salient point in all this and not stepping back and considering Ryan Adams as a normal citizen and not someone you love as a musical idol. I’m not bothered about Moore’s comments but his alleged interactions with a teenage girl. If proved then this is unacceptable behaviour of the highest order. I have loved Ryan Adams’ music for many years but no matter how good he is, if these allegations are proven then he should go to jail. At present I can’t bring myself to listen to any of his music. I hope these allegations are untrue but for the sake of the girl in question and not Ryan Adams.

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    • RD

      Hmm, you sound like Jesus except even Jesus knew that forgiveness and redemption are our greatest gifts. Glad I don’t know you in real life. I do wish an end to the investigation would be reported, but now after 4 months in, it seems like there is nothing here. He would have been charged by now if there was guilt. This is not a complex case. Not sure why you’re not bothered by Moore airing her dirty marriage laundry when she ran after him in the first place and stuck around in spite of his known troubles and drug addiction issues, all of this before the marriage. Using her parent’s divorce and mom’s coming out as an excuse is immature and kinda disgusting. There is something wrong here for sure and hopefully someone close to Ryan will help him figure it out so we can all go back to loving his music.

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    • RD

      When I was in junior high, there was a girl in my class who was fully developed and looked 25. She was 13. She could have been a playboy bunny and I’m not kidding. It was bizarre to me because I looked like I was a 10 year old girl. From all that I’ve read, Ava fit this same description. She lied about her age. Does that exonerate RA? Maybe or maybe not. I don’t think it’s for us to judge when we have no facts. It’s the mob mentality.

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    • The Dutchess

      You are absolutely right. Ryan Adams is not being considered a normal citizen. If he was, the allegations would not even rate a paragraph in the back pages of a local paper, much less a front page of an influential national newspaper. The allegations regarding the teenage girl stated there were over 3,000 texts exchanged over several years yet the newspaper chose to print excerpts from only three or four suggesting this was not the behaviour of a sexual predator grooming a victim. If the texts revealed a smoking gun, it was not evident in the article and you can bet they printed the worst material they had. If you seriously believe he should go to jail for a couple of inappropriate texts, prepare for an over-burdened prison system. I accept the primary issue here is the disparity in their ages but it seems a bit extreme to be demanding prison time for something which is undoubtedly occurring in every high school. If I was a teenage girl I would find it less traumatic to receive a few unwelcome texts from someone I’ve never met than face the pressure to sext images to school peers who will distribute them to my entire social network and whom I would have to face on a daily basis.

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  39. Stevie

    Lolll I think this is just Adams himself writing this shit. Pathetic. Yawn. Real people don’t think this shit. You can’t get away with abusing women anymore. Times Up.

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    • Stevie

      Red don’t know who you are mate, let alone read your comment ;)… Don’t think this Adams guy actually wrote this. But some of these comments on this post do just seem like they are from the same person (especially the ones pretending to be women – so transparent lol) – just desperately trying to make that inkling feeling inside that they are a shitty person go away. I feel sorry for these guys and cringe for them – they live in shitty relationships – all of which get ruined by them and they don’t really know happiness because they can’t really love or care about anything – they are miserable and they project it onto women (like they are these little kids who can’t take care of themselves or responsibility for their own lives – they need a mother even though they are 23…35…40 – it’s comical :P). They used to annoy me, but now I just pity them as they make a shit-show of their lives, meanwhile I’ll be living the good and stress-free life with good people – something they’ll never get. And now society is coming for them and they all know what we really think of them – the “waah, wah fuck women’s for not loving and for speaking out against abuse” is seen for the lame diversion of what they really are. Yawn, but carry on – it’s amusing to watch lol.

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      • Red

        Thank you. Abuse goes both ways. There’s good and bad in both genders. I know some actresses and musicians very well. Probably unfair to make a general statement, but to call them selfish and self serving would be an understatement. I saw that RA made a statement, so maybe we’ll get some clarity. I may be reaching here, but I think the FBI investigation is over or that statement never would have happened.

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  40. Red

    Well, Stevie, if you mean me, gotta say nope. Wrong sex for starters. And real classy women don’t run after rock stars looking for fame and fortune. Real classy women don’t change their stories. The internet has a long memory. Just saying.

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